History of the peloponnesian war summary and study guide. Indeed, while reading his history of the peloponnesian war, it is not hard to see how so many theorists have appropriated his work as an example of the everlasting realist qualities inherent in politics. Free speech and democracy in ancient athens by arlene w. Athens forcibly put down a revolt, fueled by oligarchic factions, in the city of mytilene on lesbos and brought the ringleaders back to athens where it was decided to put all the men of mytilene to death and to enslave the women and children. Thucydides mytilenean debate has often been read as a study in opposites, and one of the standard oppositions seen in it is that between reason and passion. Question 7 0 out of 2 points in the mytilenian debate of 427 b. Project muse emotional appeals in the mytilenean debate. This article is within the scope of wikiproject classical greece and rome, a group of contributors interested in wikipedia s articles on classics. Dont accept this debate and tell me infinity is just a concept, you cant do anything with it because thats a load of crap. Final study guide study guide inr 4103 final exam 1 know the main arguments in the mytilenian debate and the melian dialogue one for sure mytilenian.
Mytilene, a former athenian ally, had revolted against athenian oppression but lost in a. Mytilenian debate, the death penalty was not working so they need something stronger to stop people revolting in fear of the punishment of 19 every city will not only make much more careful preparations for revolt, but will also hold out against siege to the end, since to surrender early or late means just the same thing. Free speech and democracy in ancient athens is an invigorating work that will be of interest to both classicists and political scientiststheorists alike. The following debate called the mitylenian debate by thucydidestook place between cleon and diodotus and addressed key political issues raised by the peloponnesian war. Towards the close of the same winter, salaethus, a lacedaemonian, was sent out in a galley from lacedaemon to mitylene. Mytilenian debate, diodotus views of the mytilenian revolt. If you would like to join the wikiproject or learn how to contribute, please see our project page. This article seeks to show that cleons and diodotus speeches are more similar than different, and that both contain implicit emotional appeals cloaked in the guise of reason. The mytilenian debate took place in athens during the peloponnesian war in 427 bc and echoed the rising political and moral confusion that overtook athens after mytilene, a city within greece and an ally of athens, had rebelled against them. Going by sea to pyrrha, and from thence overland, he passed along the bed of a torrent, where the line of circumvallation was passable, and thus entering unperceived into.
Cleon in the mytilenian debate is perhaps the parade example. According to nussbaum, fear which she theorizes at length in chapter 2 currently undermines citizens capacities for constructive deliberation across the partisan divide. Diodorus siculus and many other ancient authors can be found in the original language and in translation at. C thucydides reports it in book three of his history of the peloponnesian war, and uses the events and the. Read the debate, alcibiades versus nicias, and think about the rhetoric of it, plus its dialogical aspects. Thucydides history of the peloponnesian war is an account of the war fought between the peloponnesian league sparta and its allies and the delian league athens and its allies from 431404. History of the peloponnesian war resource learn about.
The second presidential debate of the 2004 national election, from washington university in st. Fear of crime and punishment annalise acorn, university of alberta it was a back staircase, dark and narrow, but he was familiar with it already, and knew his way, and he liked all these surroundings. Mytilenian debate flashcards in a level and ib ancient history. The next day, the athenians began to wonder if they had been overly hasty and harsh. Nowhere is this position more lucidly stated than in diodotus speech in the mytilenian debate in thucydides history of the. We cant use infinity like a real number, thats it, case closed. Through his depiction of the mytilenian debate and the melian dialogue. In book iii of his history of the peloponnesian war, thucydides records the the mytilenian debate, an event that occurred in 427 bc, roughly a year after the revolt against athens and its. The mytilenians appealed to athens enemy, sparta, for help, but the spartans lacked control of the sea and so were unable to help. Thucydides on strength and justice by molly wancewicz. Thucydides depicts the great debate between cleon who argues for this penalty and another athenian leader who argues against it. This is a comparison essay on the mytilenian debate vs. Thucydides on power and justice city university of new york. Nussbaum offers a compelling diagnosis of the emotional terrain of american political life in the era of donald trump.
The book written by thucydides, history of the peloponnesian war, contains two controversial. Diodotus paradox and the mytilene debate thucydides 3. The paper will explain the significant contribution that thucydides mytilenean debate makes to our understanding of. The melian debate is one of the more interesting episodes in the history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides. Oct 08, 2004 the second presidential debate of the 2004 national election, from washington university in st. Kagan, the speeches in thucydides and the mytilene debate, ycls 24. Periclean imperial policy and the mytilenean debate by b. Going by sea to pyrrha, and from thence overland, he passed along the bed of a torrent, where the line of circumvallation was passable, and thus entering unperceived into mitylene told the magistrates that attica would certainly. In the mytilenean debate, cleon sounds surprisingly like thomas schelling. To borrow an old line, there are propositions so bizarre that only an educated person could believe them. The history places great importance upon naval supremacy, arguing that a modern empire is impossible without a strong navy.
The mytilenian debate and athenian imperialism w, 17. Written four hundred years before the birth of christ, this detailed contemporary account of the struggle between athens and sparta stands an excellent chance of fulfilling the authors ambitious claim that the work was done to last forever. Thucydideshistory of the peloponnesian war provides incisive historical analysis of the 5thcentury bc clash between the athenian and spartan alliances. Pdf the strange death of liberal international theory. Fear of crime and punishment the journal of theoretical.
In thucydides account of the peloponnesian war, the juxtaposition between the speeches in defense of the athenian empire and their political effects uncovers critical insights into the need for rh. Finley editor, introduction, rex warner translator written four hundred years before the birth of christ, this detailed contemporary account of the long lifeanddeath struggle between athens and sparta stands an excellent chance of fulfilling its authors ambitious claim. Schumpeters criticism of classical theory of democracy. The mytilenians appealed to athens enemy, sparta, for help, but the spartans lacked control of. The history of the peloponnesian war, also known as histories, recounts the war between the athenian alliance called the delian league by modern historians and sparta and its allies called the peloponnesian league by modern historians, which took place from 431404 bc. Question 6 2 out of 2 points what statement best characterizes the description of the 430 b.
Many historians regard this history of thucydides as one of the earliest scholarly. Start this article has been rated as startclass on the projects quality scale. The mytilenian debate in 428, the mytilenians revolted against athens, even though they had enjoyed privileged status in the athenian empire. Discuss the basic differences between the athenians and the spartans. Cleon pointed out as much during the heated mytilenian debate of 427 b. In particular, it dealt with the contradictions inherent in a democracy that also ruled an empire, and in the rise of demagogues in a democratic state.
Thucydides is often cited as the father of realism in international relations. In 428 bce, the polis of mitylenia, located on the island of lesbos, broke away from the delian league and joined the war on spartas side. The mytilenians asked for help from the spartans 3. In thucydides account of the mytilenian debate, the citizens of athens are discussing whether they should put to death all mytilenian men and enslave all women and children. History of the peloponnesian war cvsp 201 5 march 20 j. Through his depiction of the mytilenian debate and the melian dialogue, thucydides analyzes prioritization of selfinterest, and more specifically, the idea that might makes right. Ancient greek click on each image for a larger version classical greek is a very interesting language, as shown here in some speeches from greek history, written by thucydides. Whether youve loved the book or not, if you give your honest and detailed thoughts then people will find new books that are right for them. The history emphasizes the development of military technologies. It is considered one of the masterpieces of world history and political rhetoric the mytilenian debate. The english translation here translated by wilkins, 1873 is elegant prose in itself, but notice how much more concretely the greek text makes the points. In thucydides account of the mytilenian debate, the citizens of athens are discussing whether they should put to death all mytilenian men and. No, its not a load of crap, your set of equations is a load of crap. History of the peloponnesian war american university of beirut.
Apr 09, 2012 in thucydides account of the mytilenian debate, the citizens of athens are discussing whether they should put to death all mytilenian men and enslave all women and children. Towards the close of the same winter, salaethus, a lacedaemonian, was sent out in a galley from. Selected answer a he tried to help the spartans but was. The war was fought between the peloponnesian league led by sparta and the athenian league led by athens. The history of the peloponnesian war book 3 chapter 9 summary. The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides. Final study guide study guide inr 4103 final exam 1 know. Pdf how to address the athenian assembly the mytilene.
The paper will explain the significant contribution that thucydides mytilenean debate makes to our understanding of fifthcentury rhetoric and its representation. History of the peloponnesian war american university of. Over the next year, the fortunes of war turned and athens overran the island of lesbos. The strange death of liberal international theory 591.
See too john finley, the unity of thucydides history, in three essays on thucydides cambridge, ma, 1967, 15455. Thucydides, history of the peloponnesian war my work is not a piece of writing designed to. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. Thucydides discussion of these topics indicates that he. The famous mitylenian debate took place shortly after the peleponnesian war began. Analysis of the mytilenian debate english literature essay. Article information, pdf download for daring and deliberation. We are the adelaide greek community of lesvos mytilene. Mar 12, 20 in book iii of his history of the peloponnesian war, thucydides records the the mytilenian debate, an event that occurred in 427 bc, roughly a year after the revolt against athens and its.
The mytilenian debate also spelled mytilenean debate or mytilenaean debate in the athenian assembly concerned reprisals against the citystate of mytilene, which had attempted unsuccessfully to shake off athenian hegemony, during the peloponnesian war. It is often taught in parallel with the mytilenian. He states that this is the result of the development of. Not only is the form of the debate vigorous i couldnt help but think that the audience was saying the ancient greek equivalent of, snap, yo. Athens thus had to choose how to punish mitylenia for switching. These are discussed in the history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides. It was written by thucydides, an athenian general who served in that war. The fascinating mytilenian debate though the melian dialogue is an interesting and important goround between the melians and the athenians, i found the mytilenian debate to be much more engaging.
Because of the length of the program, the debate has been divided into three separate parts, approximately thirty minutes each. It is the debate at this assembly that thucydides reports in paired speeches known as the mytilenaean debate. Other readers will always be interested in your opinion of the books youve read. Thucydides history of the peloponnesian war is an account of the war fought between the peloponnesian league sparta and its allies and the delian league athens and its. The history of the peloponnesian war tells the story of the peloponnesian war in ancient greece. Thucydides, history of the peloponnesian war my work is not a piece of writing designed to meet the taste of an immediate public, but was done to last forever. The dialogue and debate are also often stated as being a key. Taking cleons speech in the mytilenian debate as paradigmatic, markovits illustrates how the rhetorical claim to frank speech undermines. C thucydides reports it in book three of his history of the peloponnesian war, and uses the events and. Fear of crime and punishment annalise acorn, university of. Problems and sources in history, volume 1, 7th edition. This article is within the scope of wikiproject greece, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of greek history on wikipedia.
Be able to summarize the basic arguments on both sides corinth vs. If you need assistance from a classicist, please see our talk page. Thucydides says that as a result of the debate, an eros to sail i. Mytilenian debate flashcards in a level and ib ancient. In a previous debate, the athenians already decided continue reading the mytilenian debate. In thucydides account of the peloponnesian war, the juxtaposition between the speeches in defense of the athenian empire and their political effects uncovers critical insights into the need for rhetoric to balance the tasks of domestic enthusiasm and diplomatic interaction. I have made pdf files of many of the passages assigned from ancient sources not included in these volumes, and i have placed these electronic files on blackboard for you to access. Thucydides himself caught the plague and recovered so he provides a reliable account of the typical symptoms. Organized by key debates, these complex speeches reveal the recklessness, cruelty, and realpolitik of athenian warfighting and imperialism. In the mytilenian debate, for example, the athenians. Aristophanes 86 against the grain the trial of socrates 88.